It is sickening and disgusting and sad to say the very least – having 2 children still in South Africa – I know that it is that bad, if not worse. Furthermore the corruption is deep, dark and terrible – they will do their best and their damdest to "Drive the white man into the sea" that is what they want and will do everything in their power to reach that end.. Can I mention that this also applies to white women… My daughter has had a Municipal job for 9 years and has been slowly slowly demoted and the most stupid, uneducated black ladies have taken over her positions, and, each time she must teach them and do the work in a back room whilst they get increases – Nee wat – dont talk to me about it,, se maar niks en kuier nog lekker..

Sorry, but I don't think that things are going to change. The black man gets the position, but the white man ends up doing the job.

Yes, a real sad situation. Adele, you are exactly correct. It is just a matter of time before there will be no one to organize and do forward projections. They are just patching and making temporary repairs. Indigenous people of Africa certainly do not have this ability.

Besides who pays taxes and electric bills?

Each time I go and visit Africa there are more people wandering around in the cities. The infrastructure and power grid are in ruins, schooling is a mess. It’s is place where no mun no fun is the order of the day.

This is alarming to say the least, but totally expected. I read a article in the New York Times about how the ANC wanted to take over South Africa and squeeze every drop out of the white man. I read this over 30 years ago. I of course dismissed it. The Afrikaner was in full control and the country was literally a jewel in Africa. South Africa ran like a finely tuned Swiss watch.

Although an American, I have experienced reverse discrimination personally. After returning home from our long war in South East Asia, I was told everywhere that they were not hiring white men. All I want was a job, but during my time in the military America had changed and companies and governments now courted the minorities. Being a white man in the 1970's & '80's was not what it was 10-15 years earlier. In my current career I have had to deal with reverse discrimination for 33+ years and the end is not in sight. I have watched as people were promoted based on race and not ability. Yet the trend continues simply because no one will admit openly the truth. They would rather try to clean up a mess created by someone not qualified, than admit that they made a decision based on race and not ability.

Redressing history's alleged wrongs by creating another wrong doesn't make it right. Marginalizing white South Africans is not only wrong, but is destroying the very fabric of what makes South Africa unique among all African nations. Without the knowledge of the white minority and their attendant skills, South Africa will decline to the point of economic stagnation.

Corruption seems to be endemic to black Africans and in many ways is also mirrored by elected black American officials. I could comment on this further, but one notes the similarity between Africa & American cities with predominant black American populations. One can come to their own conclusions, I do not need to connect the dots.

The true tragedy in all of this is that now the world turns a blind eye to the corruption and the marginalization of an entire people based on race, and America gives U.S. foreign aid to operate a government that is way out of control. Eventually the party will end, and what is truly sad is that it never had to be this way at all..

I think this is a simplistic view of BEE. I think there are deeper issues here that many white South Africans don't seem to understand. Many white South Africans so often don't connect the dots between Apartheid and the current conditions in South Africa. BEE and various other affirmative action programs are not primarily supposed to hire the most qualified person… as strange as that sounds. NO, they are primarily designed to equalize the damage that Apartheid did to South Africa. It is immature to think that people whom were denied education and freedom by oppressive white systems should be able to come in and take over as if there were no consequences of Apartheid… and its even more bizarre that white folks would call this equalizing; reverse racism. While in many instances it may feel this way, it is critical in allowing the historically oppressed 90% to come out of poverty. The whole country must feel the consequences of what Apartheid sowed. Apartheid was a deep systemic social sin. And like any sin, you reap what you sow… and wow, white South Africans are feeling it.

It seems to me that your statement that BEE is "designed to equalize the damage", and that "the whole country must feel the consequences" really means that the damage must be spread equally to all racial groups. This means that more damage must be created to ensure that all groups are equally damaged.

The result of the process of equalizing damage? White people have been leaving the country in droves and the country has been losing valuable skills and experience, as evidenced in the concern about the so-called "brain drain". So now the country loses a second time.

I will stay with my statement that you cannot correct an injustice by creating another injustice. Two wrongs do not make a right and never will.

You cannot turn the history books back and rewrite anything. It stands as is. What you can do is make sure that "all" are fully engaged in the collective rebuilding of a nation.

Marginalizing any ethnic group for any reason only undermines a nation. You cannot justify reverse discrimination and call it equalizing.

South Africa is on the same road that all other African nations are on or arrived at. That of abject poverty. All this equalizing does is bring the whole population to the point to where no one has anything. It is equalized to the lowest common denominator. Meanwhile those lucky enough to be at the top of the economic food chain can claim that all is well, while they skim off the top of what ever foreign aide they may ask for. This will eventually put them in the unenviable position of being the object of their oppositions attention, setting them up to fall to the level of poverty that they so eagerly embraced while at the top. No one stays on top forever. Politics by its nature is cyclical and what goes up will eventually go down.

The only thing that will compensate is foreign investment and continual moderate rise in a nation's GDP. You must have productivity, not welfare to spread a nations largess.

As is stands now most of South African foreign aide comes from the industrialized nations and these are populated with people who are of the same make up as the Afrikaner. That of people northern Europe. More investment could be had if South Africa realized this single fact.

Their contribution and productivity, and knowledge is a known fact. Marginalizing them in no way helps the South African rebuilding process. A banker does not invest where productivity is low and welfare is high, it simply is not good business. This only leaves one other option, foreign aid which most industrialized nations look at as simply a lost cause.

The most intelligent was to achieve the goal of rebuilding South African lies in cooperation with the white minority, inclusion and sharing of knowledge in business. As it stands South Africa is losing the very people that can make rebuilding a success. They are leaving and the nations that take them in are gaining at the same rate the South Africa loses.

The result is that eventually no one will be left to run South Africa, except the black majority which as of this date has shown that it is woefully no up to the task. When the last white South Africa has departed for a nation that wants him and acknowledges his contribution to that nation, the reality will sink in, and when they look around South Africa, the star of Africa will be no more than a beggar nation looking for handouts. They will have gone from a African tribal nation, to a industrialized nation, and back to a tribal nation and the world will just pass them by. Eventually, the money for investments will find a new home, a place where there is return of investment. Tourism will drop off as the crime waves escalate because no investment means no employment.

Sadly at this point in time, I see no light in any of this. I do believe that the "equalizing" will continue unabated and whites will continue to leave taking the most valuable commodity a nation has, its brain trust and the nations they immigrate to will fully utilize what South Africa does not want, simply because of petty vindictiveness for passed historical injustices. This is a game that no one wins and a nation loses simply because it cannot find a way to forgive. How sad is that.

It is true what you all say, I am a white male currently living in South Africa and I see firsthand how this BEE movement is destroying this country. If you brake the word BEE down it says “Black economic empowerment” the part that states “…empowerment” indicates that it is not equalization but domination, for the definition of power is “The ability or official capacity to exercise control; authority.”. And that is what it is about, control, and they try to justify it as equalization. If you are judged in any way based on your racial status it is racism, just because the government says that it is not racial discrimination doesn’t mean that it is not .

I do not support apartheid and what it stood for, I do not mind if a black man is appointed ahead of me because he is better educated, skilled or something to that affect, because that is equilibrium. A interesting point always comes up when debating about BEE, it is the fact that black people were oppressed and not given a chance of education during the apartheid era and they throw this in the white man’s face quite often, but they do have the chance, they have it now at this very moment and they do not use it. A school was built no more than two years ago to primarily promote the education of the black youth, and that is completely fine, it is a very good thing for this country if the youth is educated but this is not what happened, the school was burned to the ground.

It is sad to say that this country is following the same trend as Angola, Nigeria and Zimbabwe, white people were driven out, the economy collapsed, crime rates escalated to a point of genocides, food shortages, the world withdrew and said you are not worth our time.

In this instance we can see that it will unfortunately never change as the African does not want to change.